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December 2004
Volume 18,
Number 12

Read the transcript of the original panel discussion!

Anarchy vs.
Limited Government

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Steven P. Barth exhorts:

I write in response to your "Does Freedom Mean Anarchy?" symposium (December). It seems logical that freedom can exist without the oversight of government if all parties share the same value system. Galt's Gulch is a good example of a society in which government was unnecessary because every member had the same moral values. Because of these moral values, protection of individual property rights was unnecessary. Galt's Gulch does not exist in the real world and people do not value individual rights in the same manner. As a result, these rights become infringed and a lawmaking authority is necessary to protect the individual and these rights.

Our Founding Fathers recognized this and attempted to create a government of limited authority based on enumerated powers to protect individual rights. This enumerated authority was designed to ensure the creation of a free nation. Today many feel these powers extend far beyond the framers' original intent. I believe that they indeed created a "more perfect union" but failed to recognize that being a congressman would become an occupation that one could pursue for a lifetime. Our Founding Fathers had families, farms, and businesses that they wanted to get back to, leaving the power of government to the next patriot. Now the career politician must continue to get reelected by showing what he has done for his constituents even if it means expanding the reach of the federal government beyond its purpose.

The erosion of freedom would not be reversed by removing government authority over individuals with differing values; however, understanding the causes of the erosion would help prevent it from happening further.

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D.G. Lesvic writes:

"Does Freedom Mean Anarchy?" No. The free market is a self-regulating, self-governing process; and interference with it, interference with government, is not itself government but antigovernment.

Would a pure free market develop separate, competing law enforcement agencies within a community? No. It would develop separate, competing communities.

Does any of this really matter? No. The problem for libertarians is not telling a free market what to evolve into. The free market will figure that out by itself. The problem for libertarians is getting the world to permit a free market to evolve. And answering why has it not yet done so? It isn't because libertarians haven't yet resolved all the finer points of political and moral theory. "It's the economy, stupid," the desire for plunder and redistribution. And there will be no end to it until you show that it doesn't pay, that taking from the rich to give to the poor doesn't make the poor richer but poorer.

That is the only logical strategy; and the narrow minded, neophobic libertarians who can't be bothered with it are not leaders in the fight for freedom but irrelevant to it.

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Anton Sherwood notes:

David Friedman said public choice theory has not yet explained why "they don't take [nearly all] of our income but rather satisfy themselves with 30 or 40%".

Unusually for him, he understates the amount of the taking, and thus exaggerates the puzzle, by neglecting compliance costs.

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David Whiting scoffs:

Everyone involved in the discussion appears to wish to impose their own perfect "system" (or lack thereof) on everyone else. All appear to seek to solve the problems of the rest of humanity, instead of their own.

In other words, there is an underlying implication in this discussion of: "in order to solve my problems, and make me feel better, I need to change the rest of the world to my standards first," even from the "anarchist." Messrs. Friedman, Murray, Boaz, and Bradford are no different from any other philosopher, whether celebrated or obscure. They think: "If everyone did and thought as I do, my world would be perfect, and everyone else would be better off into the bargain."

What a bunch of baloney!

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David Herman frets:

I just wanted to say that it is frightening to see Charles Murray in dialogue with some of the editors of Liberty. I just don't think Murray's writings are compatible with liberty, especially with Liberty editor Dr. Thomas Szasz's writings.

Murray's latest book "Human Accomplishment" is dedicated to Dr. Charles Krauthammer, the syndicated columnist and psychiatrist. Murray and Krauthammer have been friends for some time and play chess on Mondays at Krauthammer's home. Krauthammer is an outspoken critic of Dr. Szasz, and there is a chapter on Szasz in Krauthammer's Pulitzer Prize-winning book, "Cutting Edges."

Krauthammer, along with the late Gerald Klerman, is credited with discovering "secondary depression". But as Szasz has shown, since there is no such thing as "mental illness," Krauthammer and Klerman invented "secondary depression." Klerman debated Szasz at Harvard on suicide and psychiatric coercion. Dr. Krauthammer loves psychiatric coercion.

Murray was never able to see that the late Richard Herrnstein, co-author of "The Bell Curve," was a fake, as are all psychologists. Dr. Murray doesn't see that Dr. Krauthammer is a fake, as all psychiatrists are.

I don't know what Liberty is doing with Murray.

Liberty's editors respond:

Let's see. We should all shun anyone who has a friend who is a critic of Thomas Szasz? We're sorry that Dr. Murray frightens you, but we'll continue to associate with anyone we think is intelligent and challenging.

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Everett DeJager theorizes:

I read "Does Freedom Mean Anarchy?" and the authors did lots of discussing, but did not come up with the simplest answer. The essential thing we ask of government is protection from aggression. Is there a better way to protect myself from aggression than expecting government to do it? I suggest there is.

I suggest there should be companies selling protection. I suggest one be named We Protect Or We Pay. WPOWP. They would sell protection policies, like insurance companies.

How would WPOWP operate? Let's imagine a thief. Let's name him Luigi. Luigi, like everybody else, has bought a protection policy. Luigi is a burglar. He breaks into a house and steals the silverware. He has to sell it to convert it to money. He sells it to a pawn shop.

The victim reports the theft to WPOWP. They pay, according to the contract. Then they check pawnshops. The pawnbroker is also a customer of a protection company. He reports the sale as possibly a theft. It does not take long for WPOWP to recover the silver, and find Luigi.

Luigi's protection company would be notified. They would instantly cancel Luigi's protection policy. Luigi would be a dead man. He would be a bad risk.

Of course, it would not happen this way. The beauty of this system is that theft would be prevented! Word would get around among the possible thieves that they could never get away with anything. Luigi would have to find an honest way to make a living.

A problem was suggested: suppose, in a no-government world, a protection company decides to go into the burglary business? I consider this extremely unlikely. Its customers would learn that it was not a nice protector, and cancel their contracts. After all, the vast majority of people do not like thieves.

Additionally, if a protection company became an aggressor, all the other companies would find it necessary to oppose it. Because their customers would be its victims, they would lose money. They would do their best to publicize the criminal activity of their competitor.

Since the protection companies are businesses, they would be run by businessmen, who are honest.

Of course, there are protection services you can buy, but they are hired only by people who fear getting assassinated. Bodyguards. What I suggest is for ordinary people, like you and me. I suggest this service instead of police and courts. Instead of government. Anarchy.

Somewhere I read that police service costs about $20 per year per person. I bet the free market can do it for less and better.

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